Yamaha P 85 ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aKHAmWbJkI
Hey, what do you think about this piano? It's not expensive...but I don't know is it possible to save somethin' and then put that into computer? Hm...

I didn't investigate this DP, but I do know that the DGX version of Yamaha is a good cheap alternative with easy USB connection...
Best thing is to go the shop and feel the instrument and ask this. Take the info home and evaluate with the specs online...
It's a hard long process to pick a DP

Well I don't know, it might be a good choice if you can't afford better. I have a Roland HP203 which is much better but at the same time more expensive. It has features you would expect from a good keyboard minus drum beats but hey who uses that (I don't ) but it has a ALOT better piano feel than any keyboard, alot of great functions (like being able to connect a USB memory stick and save your songs there or play songs from there) and has a really good design.
Investing in a more expensive digital piano is better long term (it might last you before you decide to also get a good quality upright or grand). But on the other hand you can easily buy the Yamaha P85 now and see if you feel that it's enough or that you need better, after all you can just sell it and invest in something better.

Well, I'm just a begginer, just starting with playing piano, and I was planning to buy a keyboard, yamaha psr e 413, because I don't have money to buy somethin' better, but these days I saw this piano, and I think it's better to buy piano than keyboard...it's not a big difference between prices...

Looks like they don't even have the P85 any more. It's been replaced by the P95. You'd have to check out the differences.

I have a P85 and I would recommend it over PSR E-413, simply because of a better key weight. There are three digital pianos in the same price range, P85, Casio PX-130 and Korg SP170. I've heard they are similar.

I bought mine in Sweden and the PX-130 was usually 2.000 swedish kronas ($250) above the P85 in price, where I checked. May have been partly because the PX-130 had a stand, which I didn't want.

The only problem with it is the limited dynamic range. When I press it very hard (forte) there is no difference in sound when pressing moderately hard (mezzoforte.)

Well, P 85 is about 420e, and psr e 413 is about 340e. Hmmm, I'm so confused, I was almost sure that I want keyboard, but now I don't know what I really want anymore...just want to start playing :S :S :S

You really should go to a store, where you can listen to the different pianos/keyboards and try them for yourself (it doesn't matter if you can't play), just trying to compare over the internet doesn't give the right impression. You don't have to buy from a store, but you can see the "real thing". And do take your time, you don't want to waste money on something you will regret as soon as you get it.

jutte, you are right, I don't want to waste my money, and soon I'll go to the store, I have to. I can see that you're playing psr e 313, are you happy with it?

Yes, I'm very happy with it. It's compact (61 keys) which is enough for me at the moment, I like the feeling of the keys (very touch sensitive), and the sound in the headphones is great. The sound out of the speakers not so, metallic and flat, I guess that's where the savings went LOL.
But we all have individual needs and wants in a piano. What's important to me (different sounds, like pretending to be a violin, trumpet or accordian) may not be important to you. Best advice I can give is to investigate as much as you can on different models (within your budget) and then ask any and all of us her about the models you're looking at, there's probably someone who has it.
Eventually it'll come down to a compromise on price vs. performance. And you don't have to be playing it for the rest of you life LOL, you can get another/bigger/better one down the road.
Good luck.

PS. I did buy my yamaha in a store (Kiel, Germany). I didn't feel comfortable buying a piano over the internet, not having actually seen and heard it first. And as it turned out, there was no price difference. That also comes with the advantage of having a salesman (who could actually play tunes on the keyboards, which I couldn't at the time) to give some advice (and no salesperson ever talked me into buying anything I didn't want).

I'm gonna buy it in a store, sure, but I'm searching over the internet just to see what to ask them in a store Uuh... It's gonna be hard decision

It depends on what you want in a keyboard/piano. Is it weighted keys, or extra features like voices, styles, drums and such things?

If weighted keys are your priority I say go for the P85 or similar piano, if you want the extra features take the PSR-E413 or another keyboard like it.

If you want both there is a saying: Do you want a keyboard with lots of voices? Do you want it to have weighted action? Do you want it to cost less than $500? Pick any two.

Check this link out.

You said it, we all want "everything" to the price of "next to nothing" LOL

But seriously, Viccky88, I don't know if you are just starting out and want to learn or what, but my advice to anyone just starting out with no prior knowledge (and oddly enough I followed that advice myself), is a follows:

Buy something cheap, but big enough to get started on, say in the 200$ range (like my little PSR). It's plenty to "wear your baby shoes on", and down the road when you: a) are sure that you are going to keep playing; and b) know a whole lot more of what you want in a piano or keyboard, THEN you can buy a bigger/better whatever you then feel is appropriate, and by then you're not gonna cry over the 200 you spent initially, plus an extra keyboard lying around never hurt anyone.

And frankly, what you get nowadays in a 200$ piece of plastic with a few chips inside, is bloody amazing!

Good advice, jytte.

Would like to add that I'm becoming more and more convinced that the good sound is more in the player than the instrument he or she is playing.

Like for instance this Japanese girl, just love to listen to her Beatles covers. She has put covers of most of the popular songs of the legendary Liverpool group. Besides she's pretty, that doesn't make it worse!

Think she has a Casio keyboard, sounds a bit like doorbells, but she plays really beautifully. Judging from her last videos it looks like she has upgraded though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0yXu9cH9rU

Well, it's more importiant to get a "realer" sound and touch than bang away with 400 different sounds and drum beats (my digital piano has both about 300 different sounds and a much realer sound and touch than a keyboard so it's a win-win situation ).
Anyways, if you want to develop better technique and musicallity go with the digital piano, if you think that having hundreds of different sounds and drum beats is importiant go with the keyboard.