How to create a chord progression in Minor and Major

[quote="Thomandy"]

pianohama wrote:
hm... sure about that??
i might be wrong now, but Im just shooting it out!

the first chord in a C major could be a minor -> C Eb G = i
isnt this possible you mean?

Instead of a C I = (C E G) you got a C i = (C Eb G)

Sure you can play a C minor, but then you are no longer in the C major scale, as Andrew said. If you play in C Major and suddenly play a C minor chord, you have modulated to i of the c minor scale, or the ii of B flat major scale, and the iii of G# major scale, if I'm correct(not sure about the last one)... But you can never play a C minor and remain in C major scale, you would have to modulate back!

Andrew do you agree? I'm not 100% on this

quick wrote:What determines which number/Letter is Major and which are minor because I dont understand for example why B is minor and F is major

Oh ya, and I forgot to point out B is not minor in C major scale, it is a diminished chord.

And if you're asking yourself, why is the first chord in a major scale always major? why is the sixth of a Major scale always a minor chord? Well, it just is, simply cause you can't fit in another chord.
For example,
C D E F G A B C

You need B D and F# to create a B minor, but theres only a normal B in the C major scale, so it makes it B D F instead, thus you get a diminished chord.

I always think like this: If I can fit a chord in a scale using the notes of the scale without going outside of the scale it is always going to sound good, that's my general rule...

Admin Andrew wrote:mmm, no that wouldn't work Thomas, then you're not in C major anymore, you're borrowing the i chord from C minor now. In later music they do borrow from the minor on the 3rd 6th and 7th notes on occasion. but you would say it's from C minor not major. It has to be from the key so only C D E F G A B C exist in C major. Think of C minor as another dimension completely. Hopefully that makes sense...XD

Okay Yeah, I wasnt sure at all about the terms here
I still lack a lot in this part of the theoretical field, got to learn more about that someday, hopefully Im applying for School in 2010 .... maybe...

Thomandy wrote:

Admin Andrew wrote:mmm, no that wouldn't work Thomas, then you're not in C major anymore, you're borrowing the i chord from C minor now. In later music they do borrow from the minor on the 3rd 6th and 7th notes on occasion. but you would say it's from C minor not major. It has to be from the key so only C D E F G A B C exist in C major. Think of C minor as another dimension completely. Hopefully that makes sense...XD

Okay Yeah, I wasnt sure at all about the terms here
I still lack a lot in this part of the theoretical field, got to learn more about that someday, hopefully Im applying for School in 2010 .... maybe...

Dude thats awesome, I'm really happy for you, wish you the best, if anyone deserve to make it big it's you.

Lycka till ;D

pianohama wrote:

Thomandy wrote:

Admin Andrew wrote:mmm, no that wouldn't work Thomas, then you're not in C major anymore, you're borrowing the i chord from C minor now. In later music they do borrow from the minor on the 3rd 6th and 7th notes on occasion. but you would say it's from C minor not major. It has to be from the key so only C D E F G A B C exist in C major. Think of C minor as another dimension completely. Hopefully that makes sense...XD

Okay Yeah, I wasnt sure at all about the terms here
I still lack a lot in this part of the theoretical field, got to learn more about that someday, hopefully Im applying for School in 2010 .... maybe...

Dude thats awesome, I'm really happy for you, wish you the best, if anyone deserve to make it big it's you.

Lycka till ;D

Woah That was very nice to hear
Takk

yea! Good luck

Lycka till....does that mean good luck?

Admin Andrew wrote:yea! Good luck

Lycka till....does that mean good luck?

Yeah it does in Swedish But Swedish and Norwegian is very simular so we pretty much uncerstand everything over the borders

English - Good Luck
Norweg- Lykke til
Swedish- Lycka til

pianohama wrote:

quick wrote:What determines which number/Letter is Major and which are minor because I dont understand for example why B is minor and F is major

Oh ya, and I forgot to point out B is not minor in C major scale, it is a diminished chord.

And if you're asking yourself, why is the first chord in a major scale always major? why is the sixth of a Major scale always a minor chord? Well, it just is, simply cause you can't fit in another chord.
For example,
C D E F G A B C

You need B D and F# to create a B minor, but theres only a normal B in the C major scale, so it makes it B D F instead, thus you get a diminished chord.

I always think like this: If I can fit a chord in a scale using the notes of the scale without going outside of the scale it is always going to sound good, that's my general rule...

[b] thanks, that really helped me understand why the roman numbers were major and minor, since I like understanding why things are.

Oh and I wish you well with school Thomandy

Do All chord progressions start at the root note of the scale? because I'm trying to get a better understanding of the options in chord progression, and how to form the different types used in different music genres. I also am puzzled to know if only major and minor scales use chord progression, for example does exotic scales use chord progression?

I know I'm asking a lot of questions but as a beginner somethings are kind of confusing and I thank you all for entertaining my questions.

Well i think for the beginners to understand How Chord Progression works...Probably the following video helps a little bit. If doesnt then i am sorry

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXIEmMDwc7E&feature=related

OK, bear with me for a while - - PLEASE ! ? I'm a technoid from long ago.

I just watched that you tube video and it helps, but on the Circle of fifths and everything that comes with it, did anyone ever devise any sort of a "circular slide rule" to help with this ?
I am thinking that there are so many cardboard circular gadgets with inner and outer wheels and cut out windows through the outer wheel to view the inner wheel when things are brought into alignment.
As teaching aids ? As composing/writing aids ?
Anything ?

Anyone want to DESIGN one and sell it in music shops for a few bux ?
(-:

http://randscullard.com/CircleOfFifths/
for a point and click "interactive" circle of 5ths.

Reg_B wrote:OK, bear with me for a while - - PLEASE ! ? I'm a technoid from long ago.

I just watched that you tube video and it helps, but on the Circle of fifths and everything that comes with it, did anyone ever devise any sort of a "circular slide rule" to help with this ?
I am thinking that there are so many cardboard circular gadgets with inner and outer wheels and cut out windows through the outer wheel to view the inner wheel when things are brought into alignment.
As teaching aids ? As composing/writing aids ?
Anything ?

Anyone want to DESIGN one and sell it in music shops for a few bux ?
(-:

Here is a link to something along the lines I was thinking - the circular slide rule thing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96hgKvLytCk&feature=related
I know, "ORGANS and Old Folk", but theory is theory and some of this may help some of us.

\R