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Post by tefnut on Tue Sep 22, 2009 7:59 pm

Hi, not entirely sure if this is the right area of the forum but I have a query about the piece I am learning.
I can only really explain by showing the part I am stuck at (which Ive had to copy out seperately because you can't photocopy music;) )
This is the link (i hope it works). It shows the piece
https://i.servimg.com/u/f89/14/39/13/83/piece_10.jpg

Anyway, notice there is a B that I have to hold for a crotchet in my right hand, while i have to play the B again simultaneously with my left for a semiquaver while still holding it with my right. I have checked the key sig. etc so Im not just maing a mistake with accidentals and the likes.
Maybe the answers obvious and Im going to look a bit silly here but how do i approach this? Surely I must have to leave the left hand B.
Oh, the piece is called 'sonata in d minor' by cimarosa if anyone happens to know it and has had to decide what to do here themselves.

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Post by endre on Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:44 am

Without having the score to look at (clefs, key sigs etc), can't be said for sure.

With what you show here, there's a Bb in treble clef and a B in bass clef, though...
but again, can't be decided with important information missing.

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Post by Circle_of_Fists on Wed Sep 23, 2009 2:11 pm

can you give us more info on the specific sonata so we might search for it? (for example, is it sonata no. 79, 17, 9, etc...? )
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Post by tefnut on Wed Sep 23, 2009 7:24 pm

Alright, sorry, its 'No. 25' from Raccolta di varie sonate, Book 2 by Cimarosa and is called 'Sonata in D minor'. It will probably help to tell you that its A:1 in the grade 8 ABRSM syllabus for 2009-10, and there are many versions on youtube of people playing but i still can't work out what to do with the note.

I could rewrite the whole line out but im not sure if im allowed to do that.

Anyway, while Im here, does anyone know why Cimarosa is meant to be played detatched and staccato because he was Baroque Composer, when he was born in 1750? (the end of the Baroque unless I am wrong)Question

Thanks.

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Post by Circle_of_Fists on Wed Sep 23, 2009 8:16 pm

tefnut wrote:Anyway, while Im here, does anyone know why Cimarosa is meant to be played detatched and staccato because he was Baroque Composer, when he was born in 1750? (the end of the Baroque unless I am wrong)Question

Maybe he subscribed to the life motto, "If it's not baroque, don't fix it." Razz

(groans welcome)

But really, I'm a beginner, and I've never heard of the guy. Embarassed But, this is a neat opportunity to read up on him. Never hurts to learn a bit! Very Happy

I'll keep looking to see what I can find on your question. But as of right now, though, I have no idea. It does look pretty wacky.
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Post by endre on Thu Sep 24, 2009 8:21 am

You need to show the sheet music to someone, to ask their opinion...
In the example given there is no B in right hand as I said earlier but since you didn't answer I assume the drawing is wrong, or something?

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Post by Circle_of_Fists on Thu Sep 24, 2009 3:26 pm

Ah, I see. It looks like in the drawing that there are two different key signatures. Are they both supposed to be F major?
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Post by endre on Thu Sep 24, 2009 3:46 pm

maybe it's same clef, who knows

Question: If you would happen to find some high resolution pictures with the score on some image hosting site and you link it here for the question, that wouldn't be illegal isn't it? After all it's just a random score from some public site... quite a lot of these classical music scores are even public domain...

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Post by VictorCS on Thu Sep 24, 2009 5:51 pm

I doubt you'll get fbi on the door if you post a copy of the part you dont understand. We're not talking about games/movies here, neither a copy of the whole work.

And it's not like we're gonna sell the image and earn money either Cool
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Post by tefnut on Sat Sep 26, 2009 7:31 pm

Ok lol Ill post it - sorry Im not being too helpful but i don't wanna be banned etc.

Right heres the one system only (ignore my scribblings) . The second crotchet of bar 2 has a B for the RH and then a B for the LH (both flat unless im missing something really obvious.)
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Do I just leave the Lh one? It even has the fingering for it and its strange why they should out it there if you don't play it, unless its for when you want to play the LH individually - two seperate 'polyphonic' lines i guess. But its still confusing me.

(Oh btw thanks 'circle of fists' for looking up cimarosa - all i can find about himwas that he was a v famous italian opera composer in his time.)

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Post by endre on Sat Sep 26, 2009 9:41 pm

Curious about the answer myself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cimarosa
Easy when you got a 1 letter keyword search set up for wiki in your browser...

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Post by tefnut on Sun Sep 27, 2009 1:41 pm

I have looked on the google links including wiki - i mean i don't know about him being a in a baroque style even though he was born 1750

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Post by Circle_of_Fists on Mon Sep 28, 2009 4:13 am

One would have to think the line between Baroque and Classical is a fairly fuzzy one. Having been born just at the official end of Baroque, I would think his style would be heavily influenced by it.

And as far as the note confusion, I'm still baffled and would like to see the answer for this. Anyone? ? ?
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