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Post by juliekaye Tue Jan 12, 2010 9:09 pm

I'm learning Chopin Nocturne Op 9 No 2 and on measure 29 and then again on measure 32, one of the B flats has 2 flat signs next to it. If you don't have the sheet music and/or are unfamiliar, if you watch the youtube video below, it's at about the 3 minute mark where you can see this section of the music (1st measure of the 2nd line is measure 29).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGRO05WcNDk

Is this a typo? Or does it mean something I just have never encountered before?

The first note is a C flat. So is the following note supposed to be B flat and then 2 more B flats?

Help? Smile


Last edited by juliekaye on Tue Jan 12, 2010 10:07 pm; edited 2 times in total (Reason for editing : forgot to include youtube link)

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Post by Alistair123 Tue Jan 12, 2010 9:57 pm

Its very simple, there just double flats. Two semi-tones down, ignoring the key signiture. So measure 29 and 32 you will play A's.

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Post by juliekaye Tue Jan 12, 2010 10:16 pm

I'm sorry, I still don't understand. I edited my initial post because this cold is screwing with my ability to speak or write clearly and I confused myself reading what I wrote. haha not to mention I forgot that C flat and B natural were the same note. Wink

Anyway, so I play C flat, B flat and then instead of B flat again, I play 2 semitones down from it so A flat? And do I then go back to B flat and then 2 A flats, etc? If that's the case, why the double flat signs at all and not just write A flat?? haha

Thanks again for helping me clarify this.

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Post by Alistair123 Tue Jan 12, 2010 10:21 pm

From the start of that bar line, it will be: C flat (B), B flat, then A.
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Post by juliekaye Tue Jan 12, 2010 10:48 pm

I get it now I think. I also watched a couple of youtube videos where I could see their hands during that section and confirmed I do understand what you're saying.

I probably shouldn't be trying to grasp new concepts, simple ones or not, with a cold. lol

Anyway, thanks!

Oh I see your edit! Thanks! But can you explain the point of using the double flats? Why not just put an A there with a natural sign next to it? I'm sure there's an explanation for it but seems unnecessarily confusing to me. Wink

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Post by Alistair123 Tue Jan 12, 2010 11:52 pm

It's used to stop the music becoming to cluttered. Let me TRY and explain this, it's quite hard :p, but say your in an A flat key, and you have to play, D flat, D Nautral, D flat, D nautral and so forth. The music sheet will be jammed packed with LOADS of diffrent notes and symbols. So to make it alot less cluttered, you would write the D nautral as a E double flat. That way you only write one double flat symbol on the E.
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Post by juliekaye Wed Jan 13, 2010 1:10 am

Got it, thanks! I appreciate your help. Smile

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