What does this mean?

Hi.
I came across this sign in a piece...


I'd be grateful for any input.
Thanks.

it's a double sharp. 2 semi-tones higher the note wrote.

But I got a question too: if what does a sharped double sharp do(double sharp+key sign)? is that a triple sharp?

CripKilla wrote:it's a double sharp. 2 semi-tones higher the note wrote.

But I got a question too: if what does a sharped double sharp do(double sharp+key sign)? is that a triple sharp?

Thanks a lot, Cripkilla..
Your question isn't really clear... anyway, I'll give it a shot

If [for instance] the piece is written in Dmajor and there's a double-sharp on F, you'd play G#... this takes into consideration, the key signature.

Once again, thanks.

In my Last piece It DOES NOT take the keysignature into consideration. Cause the note its written on is originally a G# but still the G dubblesharp in this piece only makes the G an -> A and not a A#. If it had taken the keysignature into consideration it would have been a A#!! But I dont got the answer, I only know that in this piece the keysignature isnt a factor while using a dubblesharp

I have also come along many sheets that use their own small rules that is Not acourding to the normal rules. So my advice is to try to find recordings and listen or of course ask here hehe

But I tend to find out if there is deascent recordings on youtube!

Allright!

But I just notices: In this sheet ex the dubble sharp is on a F, so then this wont be an issue. That F is a G

Thomandy wrote:In my Last piece It DOES NOT take the keysignature into consideration. Cause the note its written on is originally a G# but still the G dubblesharp in this piece only makes the G an -> A and not a A#. If it had taken the keysignature into consideration it would have been a A#!! But I dont got the answer, I only know that in this piece the keysignature isnt a factor while using a dubblesharp

Really!! I'd always thought that the key-signature is prevalent on the ENTIRE piece, unless a different signature is introduced in-between. -means I was wrong then.

Using your example, thomandy; if a double sharp falls on G, and the piece is written in G#, you'd play an A because nothing affects G in the key-signature of G#[Ab]

Thanks for the insight...

Phi wrote:

Thomandy wrote:In my Last piece It DOES NOT take the keysignature into consideration. Cause the note its written on is originally a G# but still the G dubblesharp in this piece only makes the G an -> A and not a A#. If it had taken the keysignature into consideration it would have been a A#!! But I dont got the answer, I only know that in this piece the keysignature isnt a factor while using a dubblesharp

Really!! I'd always thought that the key-signature is prevalent on the ENTIRE piece, unless a different signature is introduced in-between. -means I was wrong then.

Using your example, thomandy; if a double sharp falls on G, and the piece is written in G#, you'd play an A because nothing affects G in the key-signature of G#[Ab]

Thanks for the insight...

Well, yeah.. But I also said that I dont got the correct ansrwer, so dont kill me if that is wrong. But on that piece it is like I wrote in that ex. But I also know that some arangements also avoid the basic rules and makes some of their own. So look at it with critical eyes, and test it!

yup, just to give more resovle to the question, the double sharp doesn't take into account the key signature, it overrides it. think of it like adding a sharp onto the sharp already there. ^_^

Admin Andrew wrote:yup, just to give more resovle to the question, the double sharp doesn't take into account the key signature, it overrides it. think of it like adding a sharp onto the sharp already there. ^_^

Thanks, Andrew.

Why can't they [the composers] just position the note on the played line? Is there any reason they use double sharps and flats? as in: is there any musical significance?

For the visual.. like easier to read..

CripKilla wrote:For the visual.. like easier to read..

easier to read... eh?

Don't you think it'd have been a lot easier to read if, in the piece I posted, the first note [with a double sharp] was placed on the G instead?
I think they're all just show-offs!!

I know, some sheet notation is just "fail". Some things are just made harder then it is. And some things need to change...

Like inches and feet, and mph, and left side driving

We live in the 20th century, things should be more globaliZed, and the most used systems should be mandatory.

That was totally off topic, back to topic. Some stuff just seems to weird to be true, like a double sharp.
Who invented it, and why was it a "good" idea? It seems like they made it complicated,
to make it look harder than it really was, but why they havent changed it in newer times, dont ask.

It is to fit the notes to the system. I find it normal now to look at fex B# and E# because that now, feels easer than nutral F and B's... Before i couldnt undersand it. Like dubble sharps and dubble flats, it is a way to fit the notes to a very complex system. It is rather easy when you just know the rules!!

Well,
I have a question ..

I always see in the classical pieces for example :
Mozart Sonata in C major ( So this indicates that the Key Signature is a C major ? )
I know that it's a foolish question ..
But I need to know the answer ...

THANKS,

Amro wrote:Well,
I have a question ..

I always see in the classical pieces for example :
Mozart Sonata in C major ( So this indicates that the Key Signature is a C major ? )
I know that it's a foolish question ..
But I need to know the answer ...

THANKS,

Yep, it would indicate that the piece is primarily written in C major, but it MAY modulate to other keys, but I can ALMOST guarantee that it WILL end on the tonic of C major.

Admin Andrew wrote:Yep, it would indicate that the piece is primarily written in C major, but it MAY modulate to other keys, but I can ALMOST guarantee that it WILL end on the tonic of C major.

Yeah ... I was thinking of this alot ...

Thanks for the info.

Amro wrote:

Admin Andrew wrote:Yep, it would indicate that the piece is primarily written in C major, but it MAY modulate to other keys, but I can ALMOST guarantee that it WILL end on the tonic of C major.

Yeah ... I was thinking of this alot ...

Thanks for the info.

No problem, The reason they even use different keys is that each key has a different "mood" or "colour" so they write a song for the key based on the colour it gives us.

Bach wrote a prelude & Fugue for EVERY single key in a really cool book called WTC (The Well Tempered Clavier) There are TWO books. Volume I and Volume II, They're like the bible for piano study, I'd suggest once you get to a higher level to start learning some of them. ^_^ Once you're done with those, work on Chopin's Etudes and his book of Preludes (which he dedicated to Bach).

Admin Andrew wrote:
No problem, The reason they even use different keys is that each key has a different "mood" or "colour" so they write a song for the key based on the colour it gives us.

Bach wrote a prelude & Fugue for EVERY single key in a really cool book called WTC (The Well Tempered Clavier) There are TWO books. Volume I and Volume II, They're like the bible for piano study, I'd suggest once you get to a higher level to start learning some of them. ^_^ Once you're done with those, work on Chopin's Etudes and his book of Preludes (which he dedicated to Bach).

Thank you Thank you Thank you ...

By the way how could I know my Level like 3,4,...,9
I mean the Grade I'm In ??

Thanks alot .. i'll search for these books

I found alot of HUGE books in the library for Bach, Beethoven, Chopin, Strauss, Debussy, etc ..

Complete works, Histories, Lives,etc ..

But they were a bit hard for me ...

as I am such a Beginner

YOU ARE GREAT

Amro wrote:


By the way how could I know my Level like 3,4,...,9
I mean the Grade I'm In ??

Well, the only secure way to know is to take an exam. If you pass a grade 5 exam, you are at least at a grade 5..
But, it is of course a way to tell where you are without exams +

If you can learn and play grade 5pieces fast, at a high level, then you are a grade 5. What is fast I dont know. But I guess about 20hours?? Or something like that. If you can do Every single 5grade pieces within this short period of time, I recon you can consider yourselfe a grade 5 without taking an exam

Thomandy wrote:Well, the only secure way to know is to take an exam. If you pass a grade 5 exam, you are at least at a grade 5..
But, it is of course a way to tell where you are without exams +

If you can learn and play grade 5pieces fast, at a high level, then you are a grade 5. What is fast I dont know. But I guess about 20hours?? Or something like that. If you can do Every single 5grade pieces within this short period of time, I recon you can consider yourselfe a grade 5 without taking an exam

OK .. Got it ...

But how should I know that this piece in Level 5 for example ..

Should I Google it ??

Amro wrote:

Thomandy wrote:Well, the only secure way to know is to take an exam. If you pass a grade 5 exam, you are at least at a grade 5..
But, it is of course a way to tell where you are without exams +

If you can learn and play grade 5pieces fast, at a high level, then you are a grade 5. What is fast I dont know. But I guess about 20hours?? Or something like that. If you can do Every single 5grade pieces within this short period of time, I recon you can consider yourselfe a grade 5 without taking an exam

OK .. Got it ...

But how should I know that this piece in Level 5 for example ..

Should I Google it ??

It is sometimes hard to find out. But try to google it I have found some pieces's grades that way! But be sure to dobblecheck. Sometimes there are easyer versions also that are at lower grades, and it might be that it is the easyest (or the hardest) grade that you find and that you really are looking for the other grade, if you understand my messy explanation hehe

Amro wrote:

Thomandy wrote:Well, the only secure way to know is to take an exam. If you pass a grade 5 exam, you are at least at a grade 5..
But, it is of course a way to tell where you are without exams +

If you can learn and play grade 5pieces fast, at a high level, then you are a grade 5. What is fast I dont know. But I guess about 20hours?? Or something like that. If you can do Every single 5grade pieces within this short period of time, I recon you can consider yourselfe a grade 5 without taking an exam

OK .. Got it ...

But how should I know that this piece in Level 5 for example ..

Should I Google it ??

"Grade 5" depends on what examination body you decide to be assessed by. Here in the UK, there are two main boards people take exams with :Trinity College London, and ABRSM. Depending on the exam boards you consider, "Grade 5" standard could be different!
ABRSM is more of a global standard... You could go to their website and have a look at the piano syllabus for different grades.
http://www.abrsm.org/?page=exams/gradedMusicExams/latestSyllabuses.html

Thomandy wrote:
It is sometimes hard to find out. But try to google it I have found some pieces's grades that way! But be sure to dobblecheck. Sometimes there are easyer versions also that are at lower grades, and it might be that it is the easyest (or the hardest) grade that you find and that you really are looking for the other grade, if you understand my messy explanation hehe

OK !!
I Got a Point ..

Thanks alot

Phi wrote:
"Grade 5" depends on what examination body you decide to be assessed by. Here in the UK, there are two main boards people take exams with :Trinity College London, and ABRSM. Depending on the exam boards you consider, "Grade 5" standard could be different!
ABRSM is more of a global standard... You could go to their website and have a look at the piano syllabus for different grades.
http://www.abrsm.org/?page=exams/gradedMusicExams/latestSyllabuses.html

Wow !!

It's Really a Great Link ...
Useful for Me ...

Thanks alot