2 Key Dilemma. :D

Hi Andrew. What's up? Thanks again for the videos. I mean, I can't thank you enough. And thanks to everyone here as well. Well, I'm seeing progress with my playing since I've been on and off playing piano since abound 10+ years ago. My main area for improvement now would be hitting 2 keys with a finger (i.e. I'm supposed to hit E but when I press with my finger, it hits either D or F.). If it's ok, I'd like to ask for advise when exercise I can use. I'm currently doing scales. it goes well, but when I start to play a piece, boom, it happens again. Is there any other way? Thanks.

zeroflash wrote:Hi Andrew. What's up? Thanks again for the videos. I mean, I can't thank you enough. And thanks to everyone here as well. Well, I'm seeing progress with my playing since I've been on and off playing piano since abound 10+ years ago. My main area for improvement now would be hitting 2 keys with a finger (i.e. I'm supposed to hit E but when I press with my finger, it hits either D or F.). If it's ok, I'd like to ask for advise when exercise I can use. I'm currently doing scales. it goes well, but when I start to play a piece, boom, it happens again. Is there any other way? Thanks.

There's a few things you can do. Are you always seeming ot miss the SAME keys? if you are, then it's just a glitch in your muscle memory, what you need to do is go SLOWLY over the bar that is giving you troubles, making sure you hit every key in the center, strick down INTO the key. think of yoru finger as a magnet getting sucked into the key you're aiming for. You could also use hanon exersizes, and also do lots of arpeggios hope that helps!

Damn.. Now I read the word arpeggios, and cant seem to remember what it is :S hehe

@ Andrew
Yeah!!! Spot on! I do miss the same keys. hmm... yeah. I'll be trying those exercises today. thanks. It kinda gets irritating at times but I remember you said somewhere about this. "Why can't I hit the d*** key!" Maybe not the exact one.

@ Thomas
AHAHAAAHHA!!!! (sorry for the caps!) Thomas, it reminded me of something. when you're in a department store or in some buildings, when an announcement is about to start, it's an arpeggio!!! C+E+G+C I'm so naive.. ahahah. (Dear shoppers..)

zeroflash wrote:@ Andrew
Yeah!!! Spot on! I do miss the same keys. hmm... yeah. I'll be trying those exercises today. thanks. It kinda gets irritating at times but I remember you said somewhere about this. "Why can't I hit the d*** key!" Maybe not the exact one.

@ Thomas
AHAHAAAHHA!!!! (sorry for the caps!) Thomas, it reminded me of something. when you're in a department store or in some buildings, when an announcement is about to start, it's an arpeggio!!! C+E+G+C I'm so naive.. ahahah. (Dear shoppers..)

Hehe I know them, but its so many words and frases, And it isnt in my own language + all the "latin i think, some words and frases just end up way back somewhere But thanks, Ill remember from now on

thomandy wrote:

zeroflash wrote:@ Andrew
Yeah!!! Spot on! I do miss the same keys. hmm... yeah. I'll be trying those exercises today. thanks. It kinda gets irritating at times but I remember you said somewhere about this. "Why can't I hit the d*** key!" Maybe not the exact one.

@ Thomas
AHAHAAAHHA!!!! (sorry for the caps!) Thomas, it reminded me of something. when you're in a department store or in some buildings, when an announcement is about to start, it's an arpeggio!!! C+E+G+C I'm so naive.. ahahah. (Dear shoppers..)

Hehe I know them, but its so many words and frases, And it isnt in my own language + all the "latin i think, some words and frases just end up way back somewhere But thanks, Ill remember from now on

Andrew has a forum part called Music Term Glossary it is very useful there you can make yourself more familiar with the expressions... and you are right there are tons of them coming from Latin language families like Italian.
https://afpa.hooxs.com/music-term-glossary-f14/music-term-glossary-a-f-t1.htm

arpeggio – like a harp; i.e., the notes of the chords are to be played quickly one after another (usually ascending) instead of simultaneously. In music for piano, this is sometimes a solution in playing a wide-ranging chord whose notes cannot be played otherwise. Music generated by the limited hardware of video game computers uses a similar technique to create a chord from one tone generator. Arpeggios (or arpeggi) are also accompaniment patterns. See also broken chord in this list.


Otherwise I think you are doing great regarding the fact you dont live in an English speaking territory.
and now you seem to practice English every single day... thanks to Andrew's forum

maggiekedves wrote:
Andrew has a forum part called Music Term Glossary it is very useful there you can make yourself more familiar with the expressions... and you are right there are tons of them coming from Latin language families like Italian.
https://afpa.hooxs.com/music-term-glossary-f14/music-term-glossary-a-f-t1.htm

arpeggio – like a harp; i.e., the notes of the chords are to be played quickly one after another (usually ascending) instead of simultaneously. In music for piano, this is sometimes a solution in playing a wide-ranging chord whose notes cannot be played otherwise. Music generated by the limited hardware of video game computers uses a similar technique to create a chord from one tone generator. Arpeggios (or arpeggi) are also accompaniment patterns. See also broken chord in this list.


Otherwise I think you are doing great regarding the fact you dont live in an English speaking territory.
and now you seem to practice English every single day... thanks to Andrew's forum

Yup. Actually I like to play peaces with arpeggios instead of solid chords. Think there a so much more life in them. Like victors piano solo. And my own peace is written with arpeggios. Fur elise has them, but In fur elise there are also two and two keys played with the lefthand, guess it isnt called a chord until it is three or more keys used at the same time. Guess they are called intervals when they are two and two... =)

Yeah, I dont really get any practice on my english at all, so this is great regarding that. If Im in a hurry, I can tell that my english is getting really bad, very quickly And sometimes im really stuck, reagarding the sentencestructure. But, overall its okay. If I consentrate, I dont think there are to many mistakes. And this forum helps my written english alot

thomandy wrote:
Yeah, I dont really get any practice on my english at all, so this is great regarding that. If Im in a hurry, I can tell that my english is getting really bad, very quickly And sometimes im really stuck, reagarding the sentencestructure. But, overall its okay. If I consentrate, I dont think there are to many mistakes. And this forum helps my written english alot

Yea i actually forget english is a second language to you! You speak it quite well, there's a few times when it's hard to make out what you're trying to say, but overall I can understand you. ^_^

I guess this really IS good practise for you ^_^

Admin Andrew wrote:

thomandy wrote:
Yeah, I dont really get any practice on my english at all, so this is great regarding that. If Im in a hurry, I can tell that my english is getting really bad, very quickly And sometimes im really stuck, reagarding the sentencestructure. But, overall its okay. If I consentrate, I dont think there are to many mistakes. And this forum helps my written english alot

Yea i actually forget english is a second language to you! You speak it quite well, there's a few times when it's hard to make out what you're trying to say, but overall I can understand you. ^_^

I guess this really IS good practise for you ^_^

Yup, I have seen it to. But sometimes im in a hurry, and belive me, then the norwegian is just the same (lots of errors)

Thanks for the info guys! I'll visit more on Andrew's info on the musical terms. Yeah Maggie, I saw the piece for Fur Elise. Can't play the advanced one yet. I only have the simple ones. Oh and yeah, you're doing great with English Thomas! ^_~

zeroflash wrote:Thanks for the info guys! I'll visit more on Andrew's info on the musical terms. Yeah Maggie, I saw the piece for Fur Elise. Can't play the advanced one yet. I only have the simple ones. Oh and yeah, you're doing great with English Thomas! ^_~

Dont underestimate yourselfe If you want to play fur elise, then do it I say But I am optimistic about these things. You can defenently do the peace if you want. Maby not in a week, but learning it is easy, then you got all the time in the world to learn how to play it good Im just a week or two from uploading the whole thing, and I will even do it if it got some small errors, couse I know that in a year, I will play it "perfectly" anyway And I have now played for 4 months, and practiced it for some weeks And I really enjoy playing it. The dynamic tempo is genius. I dont play it at 148, couse it think it is nicer at 130ish

And thanks btw

thomandy wrote:

zeroflash wrote:Thanks for the info guys! I'll visit more on Andrew's info on the musical terms. Yeah Maggie, I saw the piece for Fur Elise. Can't play the advanced one yet. I only have the simple ones. Oh and yeah, you're doing great with English Thomas! ^_~

Dont underestimate yourselfe If you want to play fur elise, then do it I say But I am optimistic about these things. You can defenently do the peace if you want. Maby not in a week, but learning it is easy, then you got all the time in the world to learn how to play it good Im just a week or two from uploading the whole thing, and I will even do it if it got some small errors, couse I know that in a year, I will play it "perfectly" anyway And I have now played for 4 months, and practiced it for some weeks And I really enjoy playing it. The dynamic tempo is genius. I dont play it at 148, couse it think it is nicer at 130ish

And thanks btw

I'm excited to see this performance of fur elise ^_^

Admin Andrew wrote:
I'm excited to see this performance of fur elise ^_^

Me to
But I havnt played it yet without an error somwhere...

Uploaded my first vid. I do welcome comments. Thanks in advance. Don't mind the background.

zeroflash wrote:Uploaded my first vid. I do welcome comments. Thanks in advance. Don't mind the background.

Awesome Im heading there to see it

thomandy wrote:

Admin Andrew wrote:
I'm excited to see this performance of fur elise ^_^

Me to
But I havnt played it yet without an error somwhere...

Theoritically you only supposed to go to the next part when you know the previous bars perfectly... although I know it is hard to be that patient.. I can feel many times Im not one of them

maggiekedves wrote:

thomandy wrote:

Admin Andrew wrote:
I'm excited to see this performance of fur elise ^_^

Me to
But I havnt played it yet without an error somwhere...

Theoritically you only supposed to go to the next part when you know the previous bars perfectly... although I know it is hard to be that patient.. I can feel many times Im not one of them

Do you mean when I know how to play them perfectly??
Couse that is something I will never do I practice 1-2 or 3 bars until I know them by hart. And I know all the notes in fur elise by hart, perfectly if that was what you meant. But, tempoerrors, playing one wrong key now and then ++ That is why im practicing...

But I dont think you meant perfectly played, when I think about it! That would be crazy I think hehe

thomandy wrote:
Do you mean when I know how to play them perfectly??
Couse that is something I will never do I practice 1-2 or 3 bars until I know them by hart. And I know all the notes in fur elise by hart, perfectly if that was what you meant. But, tempoerrors, playing one wrong key now and then ++ That is why im practicing...

But I dont think you meant perfectly played, when I think about it! That would be crazy I think hehe

Perfectly in a sense of being precise and do not miss the notes if u learn them well your muscle memory stop you from being wrong as much as I can tell
Perfect is I think a relative term

maggiekedves wrote:

thomandy wrote:
Do you mean when I know how to play them perfectly??
Couse that is something I will never do I practice 1-2 or 3 bars until I know them by hart. And I know all the notes in fur elise by hart, perfectly if that was what you meant. But, tempoerrors, playing one wrong key now and then ++ That is why im practicing...

But I dont think you meant perfectly played, when I think about it! That would be crazy I think hehe

Perfectly in a sense of being precise and do not miss the notes if u learn them well your muscle memory stop you from being wrong as much as I can tell
Perfect is I think a relative term

yeah. eheheh. I still have the glitches to my muscle memory as andrew said. I guess it's my eagerness to play faster. I get off tempo and miss keys in the middle and even press 2 keys at the same time. it gets better though when I go........ reallly... really... slow.. then play fast and miss again.

maggiekedves wrote:

thomandy wrote:
Do you mean when I know how to play them perfectly??
Couse that is something I will never do I practice 1-2 or 3 bars until I know them by hart. And I know all the notes in fur elise by hart, perfectly if that was what you meant. But, tempoerrors, playing one wrong key now and then ++ That is why im practicing...

But I dont think you meant perfectly played, when I think about it! That would be crazy I think hehe

Perfectly in a sense of being precise and do not miss the notes if u learn them well your muscle memory stop you from being wrong as much as I can tell
Perfect is I think a relative term

Understand... I usually play it at the tempo I know I can. So i dont cheat like that untill I feel I dont hesitate too much.
As long as I can play the bars by hart, at a low tempo, I move on adding more bars

I usually practice the song slow, not too slow, but half speed usually and then I built up speed when I now all the bars...
Speed usually comes as I play it over and over again. Much easier to gain speed than memorize

VictorCS wrote:I usually practice the song slow, not too slow, but half speed usually and then I built up speed when I now all the bars...
Speed usually comes as I play it over and over again. Much easier to gain speed than memorize

Okay =) Well, its like that for me to. The speed comes natrually when you know where to hit the keays. And then you allready have the keys memorisied! If not, your hesitating, and that is a speedkiller =)

thomandy wrote:
Understand... I usually play it at the tempo I know I can. So i dont cheat like that untill I feel I dont hesitate too much.
As long as I can play the bars by hart, at a low tempo, I move on adding more bars

Thats a good way to go. Although I always think I should just develop my sight reading so I would not need to learn everything by heart before I could actually play it

maggiekedves wrote:

thomandy wrote:
Understand... I usually play it at the tempo I know I can. So i dont cheat like that untill I feel I dont hesitate too much.
As long as I can play the bars by hart, at a low tempo, I move on adding more bars

Thats a good way to go. Although I always think I should just develop my sight reading so I would not need to learn everything by heart before I could actually play it

Yup sight reading can be powerful! It's VERY useful

Admin Andrew wrote:

maggiekedves wrote:

thomandy wrote:
Understand... I usually play it at the tempo I know I can. So i dont cheat like that untill I feel I dont hesitate too much.
As long as I can play the bars by hart, at a low tempo, I move on adding more bars

Thats a good way to go. Although I always think I should just develop my sight reading so I would not need to learn everything by heart before I could actually play it

Yup sight reading can be powerful! It's VERY useful

Yeah, I agree. But, still to REALLY play pieces perfectly you must learn by hart. Dont ever see anyone on youtu performe grade 8-9-10.... By looking at sheets. I have seen a couple, but the have all the notes memorised but need a hint to tell them where they are cinda..

And my sightreading is really comming along. I have played a waltz, level 1/grade 1 just by sightread. After I saw Andrews lesson. And it was fun. I also think about intervalls all the time when I learn new pieces. But still, I dont think anyone could sightread Fantasy Improv or whats it called, and play it really good If someone can, than let me know