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Post by endre Wed Apr 22, 2009 10:20 pm

Hey,

The other day I got a Czerny book, it has a different name in hungarian but looks like it's "125 Exercises in Passage-Playing, Op. 261 Complete":
http://www.everynote.com/piano.show/100568.music
First exercise looks like the one I'm trying Smile

Now about the speed, ok I'm learning since a month so I figure that if I stick to it I can be faster and faster.
But my problem is, I'm just trying to practice the right hand of this thingie (you can see it in the picture I think) at around 60 bpm (that's about half speed or less Very Happy). I can so-so manage and I will manage after a couple of days. But, and I'm not sure how to explain it correctly, but those 16th are so uneven for me, I mean I can't play them consistently at same length. Like sometimes my finger hits a key sooner or later than it should. I don't think I'm too stupid for it, it's pretty straightforward and can 'play' it in my head correctly. But physically I just can't make nice even sounds. It happens with other things also, but it is first time it's so annoying, maybe because of the constant quick playing (never practiced anything like this before). I mean if I play something slow sometimes I make mistakes but generally I don't hear myself plying very uneven so maybe here it's because of the speed. Also if there's a couple quick notes it's not a problem most of the time, but here I can't do 2 measures well most of the time Smile
I can hear it and it's bad and it really pisses me off sometimes Smile so annoying.

I mean the speed I know it can be improved, but this, I'm not sure what it is from or what to do with it.
Maybe it's a weird explanation, maybe you'll get it, dunno.
Post if you got any ideas or experiences Smile

Thanks

PS: It's this, the guy plays it like half tempo too just better than me...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-09o8PRhfh0

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Post by maggiekedves Wed Apr 22, 2009 11:55 pm

I was always told if I cant keep the right speed I need to chant with it.
I cant give you exact ideas for the words for your personal use but we use triple, dou-ble, hu-ckle-berry and things like that. If you can chant the same things the same speed it will sound better... Hope that helped.
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Post by endre Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:42 am

Hmm I'm not really losing the tempo it's just the length of those 16th is not equal (well the way I do it), maybe this makes more sense.

See this:
Hmm, problem with... tempo..? Czerny1

Having slight problems at about 60 bpm. Wonder how this sounds at Allegro and why they put it in a beginner book Smile

But I think I see what you mean and will try with your method.

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Post by Thomandy Thu Apr 23, 2009 7:48 am

Well I can only suggest one thing if you cant do it correct at right speed!!!

Go Slower!!! Smile

Since you say its at 60BPM I understand you using a metronome Smile
So just set it at a Lower speed, and only proceed with Small steps!! Smile
Concentrate on relaxing your hands and getting every single note right on the beat Smile

The reason its in a beginner book, is cause its only a 5finger scale-thing going on Smile
No thumb-tuck, so it should go very smooth for a beginner after a little correct practice Smile
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Post by endre Thu Apr 23, 2009 9:52 am

Think I'll struggle at 60. It's not THAT bad at 60 I just keep hearing uneven notes sometimes. But I wonder how a beginner is supposed to do this at original speed, Allegro thats like 120 speed on metronome Smile A little more than 0.1 second for a 16th note.
Maybe I'm just clumsier than others, maybe I should record myself and again after a week etc, then perhaps I will see if I improve on it or not. Right now it sounds like maybe with some hand and brain surgery I will be able to do it Very Happy

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Post by Thomandy Thu Apr 23, 2009 10:43 am

endre wrote:Think I'll struggle at 60. It's not THAT bad at 60 I just keep hearing uneven notes sometimes. But I wonder how a beginner is supposed to do this at original speed, Allegro thats like 120 speed on metronome Smile A little more than 0.1 second for a 16th note.
Maybe I'm just clumsier than others, maybe I should record myself and again after a week etc, then perhaps I will see if I improve on it or not. Right now it sounds like maybe with some hand and brain surgery I will be able to do it Very Happy

Only one cure for uneven notes: Slower Wink
Or else you end up just practicing unevenness and getting used to it, and then it ends up ruining your technique for life Razz
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Post by endre Thu Apr 23, 2009 2:30 pm

Damn, you might be right.
50 seems better, hmm Smile
It's almost boring but maybe it will help me getting better at higher speeds with time, too Smile

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Post by Admin Andrew Thu Apr 23, 2009 8:55 pm

yea, slow practise helps SO much. Thomas is right, you need to practise it slower Smile don't let things be uneven. Speed kills even more when you're playing piano. ^_^ Good luck!

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Post by Thomandy Fri Apr 24, 2009 5:51 am

endre wrote:Damn, you might be right.
50 seems better, hmm Smile
It's almost boring but maybe it will help me getting better at higher speeds with time, too Smile

Hehe, but youll see Its not boring to get the feeling of suddenly be even at a higher BMP instead of never getting there Smile Thats whats the best motivation, see that things get better, and you almost dont really understand why Razz hehe
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