Hmm, problem with... tempo..?
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Hmm, problem with... tempo..?
Hey,
The other day I got a Czerny book, it has a different name in hungarian but looks like it's "125 Exercises in Passage-Playing, Op. 261 Complete":
http://www.everynote.com/piano.show/100568.music
First exercise looks like the one I'm trying
Now about the speed, ok I'm learning since a month so I figure that if I stick to it I can be faster and faster.
But my problem is, I'm just trying to practice the right hand of this thingie (you can see it in the picture I think) at around 60 bpm (that's about half speed or less ). I can so-so manage and I will manage after a couple of days. But, and I'm not sure how to explain it correctly, but those 16th are so uneven for me, I mean I can't play them consistently at same length. Like sometimes my finger hits a key sooner or later than it should. I don't think I'm too stupid for it, it's pretty straightforward and can 'play' it in my head correctly. But physically I just can't make nice even sounds. It happens with other things also, but it is first time it's so annoying, maybe because of the constant quick playing (never practiced anything like this before). I mean if I play something slow sometimes I make mistakes but generally I don't hear myself plying very uneven so maybe here it's because of the speed. Also if there's a couple quick notes it's not a problem most of the time, but here I can't do 2 measures well most of the time
I can hear it and it's bad and it really pisses me off sometimes so annoying.
I mean the speed I know it can be improved, but this, I'm not sure what it is from or what to do with it.
Maybe it's a weird explanation, maybe you'll get it, dunno.
Post if you got any ideas or experiences
Thanks
PS: It's this, the guy plays it like half tempo too just better than me...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-09o8PRhfh0
The other day I got a Czerny book, it has a different name in hungarian but looks like it's "125 Exercises in Passage-Playing, Op. 261 Complete":
http://www.everynote.com/piano.show/100568.music
First exercise looks like the one I'm trying
Now about the speed, ok I'm learning since a month so I figure that if I stick to it I can be faster and faster.
But my problem is, I'm just trying to practice the right hand of this thingie (you can see it in the picture I think) at around 60 bpm (that's about half speed or less ). I can so-so manage and I will manage after a couple of days. But, and I'm not sure how to explain it correctly, but those 16th are so uneven for me, I mean I can't play them consistently at same length. Like sometimes my finger hits a key sooner or later than it should. I don't think I'm too stupid for it, it's pretty straightforward and can 'play' it in my head correctly. But physically I just can't make nice even sounds. It happens with other things also, but it is first time it's so annoying, maybe because of the constant quick playing (never practiced anything like this before). I mean if I play something slow sometimes I make mistakes but generally I don't hear myself plying very uneven so maybe here it's because of the speed. Also if there's a couple quick notes it's not a problem most of the time, but here I can't do 2 measures well most of the time
I can hear it and it's bad and it really pisses me off sometimes so annoying.
I mean the speed I know it can be improved, but this, I'm not sure what it is from or what to do with it.
Maybe it's a weird explanation, maybe you'll get it, dunno.
Post if you got any ideas or experiences
Thanks
PS: It's this, the guy plays it like half tempo too just better than me...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-09o8PRhfh0
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Re: Hmm, problem with... tempo..?
I was always told if I cant keep the right speed I need to chant with it.
I cant give you exact ideas for the words for your personal use but we use triple, dou-ble, hu-ckle-berry and things like that. If you can chant the same things the same speed it will sound better... Hope that helped.
I cant give you exact ideas for the words for your personal use but we use triple, dou-ble, hu-ckle-berry and things like that. If you can chant the same things the same speed it will sound better... Hope that helped.
Re: Hmm, problem with... tempo..?
Hmm I'm not really losing the tempo it's just the length of those 16th is not equal (well the way I do it), maybe this makes more sense.
See this:
Having slight problems at about 60 bpm. Wonder how this sounds at Allegro and why they put it in a beginner book
But I think I see what you mean and will try with your method.
See this:
Having slight problems at about 60 bpm. Wonder how this sounds at Allegro and why they put it in a beginner book
But I think I see what you mean and will try with your method.
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Re: Hmm, problem with... tempo..?
Well I can only suggest one thing if you cant do it correct at right speed!!!
Go Slower!!!
Since you say its at 60BPM I understand you using a metronome
So just set it at a Lower speed, and only proceed with Small steps!!
Concentrate on relaxing your hands and getting every single note right on the beat
The reason its in a beginner book, is cause its only a 5finger scale-thing going on
No thumb-tuck, so it should go very smooth for a beginner after a little correct practice
Go Slower!!!
Since you say its at 60BPM I understand you using a metronome
So just set it at a Lower speed, and only proceed with Small steps!!
Concentrate on relaxing your hands and getting every single note right on the beat
The reason its in a beginner book, is cause its only a 5finger scale-thing going on
No thumb-tuck, so it should go very smooth for a beginner after a little correct practice
Re: Hmm, problem with... tempo..?
Think I'll struggle at 60. It's not THAT bad at 60 I just keep hearing uneven notes sometimes. But I wonder how a beginner is supposed to do this at original speed, Allegro thats like 120 speed on metronome A little more than 0.1 second for a 16th note.
Maybe I'm just clumsier than others, maybe I should record myself and again after a week etc, then perhaps I will see if I improve on it or not. Right now it sounds like maybe with some hand and brain surgery I will be able to do it
Maybe I'm just clumsier than others, maybe I should record myself and again after a week etc, then perhaps I will see if I improve on it or not. Right now it sounds like maybe with some hand and brain surgery I will be able to do it
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Re: Hmm, problem with... tempo..?
endre wrote:Think I'll struggle at 60. It's not THAT bad at 60 I just keep hearing uneven notes sometimes. But I wonder how a beginner is supposed to do this at original speed, Allegro thats like 120 speed on metronome A little more than 0.1 second for a 16th note.
Maybe I'm just clumsier than others, maybe I should record myself and again after a week etc, then perhaps I will see if I improve on it or not. Right now it sounds like maybe with some hand and brain surgery I will be able to do it
Only one cure for uneven notes: Slower
Or else you end up just practicing unevenness and getting used to it, and then it ends up ruining your technique for life
Re: Hmm, problem with... tempo..?
Damn, you might be right.
50 seems better, hmm
It's almost boring but maybe it will help me getting better at higher speeds with time, too
50 seems better, hmm
It's almost boring but maybe it will help me getting better at higher speeds with time, too
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Re: Hmm, problem with... tempo..?
yea, slow practise helps SO much. Thomas is right, you need to practise it slower don't let things be uneven. Speed kills even more when you're playing piano. ^_^ Good luck!
Re: Hmm, problem with... tempo..?
endre wrote:Damn, you might be right.
50 seems better, hmm
It's almost boring but maybe it will help me getting better at higher speeds with time, too
Hehe, but youll see Its not boring to get the feeling of suddenly be even at a higher BMP instead of never getting there Thats whats the best motivation, see that things get better, and you almost dont really understand why hehe
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