Two very quick notation questions

Hello. I'm trying to learn Mendelssohn op.30 #6 - Venetian Gondola Song, which is probably way beyond my ability but I'm having fun anyway. There are two bits of notation in the music that I'm not sure I understand.

They are the bits highlighted in red and green here:



Do the parts highlight in red mean: "start on one finger, but then as you hold the note, change the finger holding it down". So, for instance, the one on the left says: "Play this note with the fourth finger, but change to the first finger as you hold it"

For the bit highlighted in green, I don't understand why there are two notes there. You only seem to need to play one (the 'E#' which is really an F). Is that right? Why are there two notes?

Thanks,

Robin

You are actually very correct, accordingly to what I have understood about these things!

Red: Play with the 4th finger, shift til 1! BUT I must say, that that is Stupid hehe - So I wouldnt have followed it In Noc Op9 No2 there is on place where this is done, and its makes sense cause of that comes after, but this dosnt make any sense

My fingeringsugesion:
1st A = 4...
2cond B = 3...
3rd C# = 2...
4th F# = 1

Green: Yeah, treat it as One note! Hold it until the tie stops Its to show you that that note is First treated as a melody, cause the stem i pointing up. Then its sort of being used as a harmonynote afterward cause of the tied/dotted 1/2note, where the stem is pointing down

I think Im not wrong about it hehe

I have a question on your reply Thomandy. The first two notes A and A are played as one. They have a tie hehe. But those two notes in the green (E#) their only tie is that big one from the beggining. I would play them as one note but what is the purpose of the first little tie on those two notes.

Aigle wrote:I have a question on your reply Thomandy. The first two notes A and A are played as one. They have a tie hehe. But those two notes in the green (E#) their only tie is that big one from the beggining. I would play them as one note but what is the purpose of the first little tie on those two notes.

The "big tie" you are talking about is Not a tie at all Its a line that tell you to play all notes Legato!!
Sort of like you are playing them all in one sweeping motion, and not lifting your hand/fingers from the piano before you play the next note!

Not sure what Little tie you are talking about though Cant see that the E# got a tie at all


I think Im talking about the differences on ties and legato ect in this video

But why then play those two E# like one note? And the tie is on A

Aigle wrote:But why then play those two E# like one note? And the tie is on A

You see that the note value is a dotted 1/4 note, that would be Impossible to play a dotted 1/4note when a dotted 1/2note is presented Right away! As I said above, this is to show you that that E# is melody and harmony all at the same time. :)First as a melody note, then holding it as written so it works as harmony!

This answer is based on experience, and logic cause I havnt seen any Ex exactly like this one, but I have seen many that are very similar! Its logical right? You cant play a note that is already held down!

I think its cause its dotted and looks like two notes, that is putting you a bit of, so I made an ex on how it would look like if it was a Normal 1/4 and Normal 1/2 note, then you see it easier what I mean

Then you see that the first C is sort of melody, but its going to be held a bit longer that the value of the melody!

Oh I see, well now it's all clear thanks

Thanks for the replies :-)

Aigle wrote:Oh I see, well now it's all clear thanks

RobinL wrote:Thanks for the replies :-)

Glad to help