Andrew Furmanczyk Piano Academy :: Learn How To Play Piano
Enjoy your time with the music community! Log in now to start posting!

~Andrew Furmanczyk

B sharp...C flat..?

View previous topic View next topic Go down

B sharp...C flat..?

Post by Sable_smiles on Sun Nov 23, 2008 5:58 am

Ok, prepare yourselves for this may be a very dumb question. I was watching
How to Play Piano: Lesson #2

and got a bit confused. Why is there no piano key for b sharp/c flat or e sharp/f flat? Embarassed
avatar
Sable_smiles
Intermediate Pianist
Intermediate Pianist

Female Number of posts : 24
Age : 34
Location : Houston, TX
Job/hobbies : Student who likes drawing, music, animals, cars, computers, philosophy, and being girly
Length of time playing piano : Haven't started yet
Guru Points : 0
Registration date : 2008-11-22

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: B sharp...C flat..?

Post by Thomandy on Sun Nov 23, 2008 11:33 am

Hi Smile

Well, you see - B# Is C... So there is no need to call it B#
And also E# Is F!

So if you want to call the F-Key/Scale for: E#-Key/Scale thats really up to you, but it isnt used as far as I have seen. Cause its really just making easy things hard and isnt necessary at all.

In the same way like Cb Is B and Fb Is E.
avatar
Thomandy
Moderator
Moderator

Male Number of posts : 2616
Age : 32
Location : Norway
Job/hobbies : Bachelor in Social Childcare
Length of time playing piano : 1 year
Guru Points : 46
Registration date : 2008-04-10

View user profile http://www.youtube.com/thomandy

Back to top Go down

Re: B sharp...C flat..?

Post by Sable_smiles on Sun Nov 23, 2008 8:34 pm

OK, cool! Thanks! So I understand that the enharmonic of B# is C, the enharmonic of Cb is B, the enharmonic of E# is F, and the enharmonic of Fb is E. It answers part of my question, but I was hoping for a more in depth answer. bounce

Hmmm, I'm trying to figure out how to better word my question.

Here's my line of thinking; the enharmonic of A# is Bb, the enharmonic of C# is Db, the enharmonic of D# is Eb, etc. There is a pattern here. WHY is the pattern different for B, C, E, and F? Why is there no enharmonic B#/Cb key and no enharmonic E#/Fb key?

I understand the black keys are layed out the way they are to serve as a reference for the player, but isn't that at the expense of two notes? IF there are seven natural notes, why aren't there seven #/b notes? Doesn't this mean that technically, two keys are missing between every row of A through G? And if that is true aren't all pianos technically unable to play two notes between A and G? Is this the case for ALL instruments?

Thanks for being patient with me. This must be as arbritrary as a child asking why the sky is blue, but since I really don't know it's really bothering me, lol. Shocked
avatar
Sable_smiles
Intermediate Pianist
Intermediate Pianist

Female Number of posts : 24
Age : 34
Location : Houston, TX
Job/hobbies : Student who likes drawing, music, animals, cars, computers, philosophy, and being girly
Length of time playing piano : Haven't started yet
Guru Points : 0
Registration date : 2008-11-22

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: B sharp...C flat..?

Post by Thomandy on Sun Nov 23, 2008 9:03 pm

I dont have a more indeapth answer Razz hehe
Sorry, but I have never considered this problem since I dont feel the need to have a B# - Key.. . Since thats a C.

Its like all the other keys, lets say the G#. What you call it is up to you.

Same as the C I guess, you Can call it B# if you want to, i think?! But its just not common as far as I know.

Maybe its got something to do with the circle of 5th... And I dont really know to much about that theory other than that its a great system, and all the scales fit perfect together in that system.

But I just think that since the lineup is like it is, that there isnt any need to call the white C any other thing than C. But I do think that you can call it B# if you absolutely want to - It dosnt change the key or the lineup on how the key is, by calling it B# Smile
avatar
Thomandy
Moderator
Moderator

Male Number of posts : 2616
Age : 32
Location : Norway
Job/hobbies : Bachelor in Social Childcare
Length of time playing piano : 1 year
Guru Points : 46
Registration date : 2008-04-10

View user profile http://www.youtube.com/thomandy

Back to top Go down

Re: B sharp...C flat..?

Post by Sable_smiles on Sun Nov 23, 2008 9:29 pm

Hmmm...ok. Yeah, it's not so much about what to call the key as it is that my logic tells me there is something missing here. Or I could just be crazy, hehe!

I'm going to do some research on the circle of 5th then. Thanks for your help though!

Maybe I should ask Andrew about this?
avatar
Sable_smiles
Intermediate Pianist
Intermediate Pianist

Female Number of posts : 24
Age : 34
Location : Houston, TX
Job/hobbies : Student who likes drawing, music, animals, cars, computers, philosophy, and being girly
Length of time playing piano : Haven't started yet
Guru Points : 0
Registration date : 2008-11-22

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: B sharp...C flat..?

Post by VictorCS on Sun Nov 23, 2008 10:07 pm

It's the way the musical system was made. In eastern countries they have instruments who has alot of "keys" within an octave. But it's not nessecary to have it to make music.

They decided in the old days that an instrument should have 12 pitches within an octave, I dont know the story behind, but probably math and to make it easy. This was in the western music world, as you can see, the eastern did it different. The harmonic minor scale can mimic a eastern scale, but it's missing a few pitches between each note ^_^

Remember even if there are 5 black and 7 white, they are 12 together. They could've designed it as 6 white and 6 black, as you know, a guitar dont have black and white keys. It's probably made that way to make it easy to play.

It's not about black and white colors, or note names, it's about pitches.

EDIT: There is no B#, Cb, E# or Fb. If you tell you that it is, you're only making stuff harder than it is, adding 4 names extra. In "theory" they could be, but they are not.
avatar
VictorCS
Moderator
Moderator

Male Number of posts : 944
Location : Norway
Length of time playing piano : Started playing seriously in 2007, and been doing so since.
Guru Points : 18
Registration date : 2008-03-09

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: B sharp...C flat..?

Post by Sable_smiles on Sun Nov 23, 2008 10:23 pm

VictorCS wrote:It's the way the musical system was made. In eastern countries they have instruments who has alot of "keys" within an octave. But it's not nessecary to have it to make music.

They decided in the old days that an instrument should have 12 pitches within an octave, I dont know the story behind, but probably math and to make it easy. This was in the western music world, as you can see, the eastern did it different. The harmonic minor scale can mimic a eastern scale, but it's missing a few pitches between each note ^_^

Remember even if there are 5 black and 7 white, they are 12 together. They could've designed it as 6 white and 6 black, as you know, a guitar dont have black and white keys. It's probably made that way to make it easy to play.

It's not about black and white colors, or note names, it's about pitches.

EDIT: There is no B#, Cb, E# or Fb. If you tell you that it is, you're only making stuff harder than it is, adding 4 names extra. In "theory" they could be, but they are not.

Thank you Victor!! You have explained it very well, and I completely understand it now! Hmmm, it would make a fun project to study the differences between Eastern and Western scales. Hehe, one foot in front of the other though. First I need to learn how to play the piano! Very Happy
avatar
Sable_smiles
Intermediate Pianist
Intermediate Pianist

Female Number of posts : 24
Age : 34
Location : Houston, TX
Job/hobbies : Student who likes drawing, music, animals, cars, computers, philosophy, and being girly
Length of time playing piano : Haven't started yet
Guru Points : 0
Registration date : 2008-11-22

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: B sharp...C flat..?

Post by Admin Andrew on Sun Nov 23, 2008 11:47 pm

Well! looks like victor beat me to it. He explained pretty much what I was going to say Smile ^_^ Thanks for being helpful victor! Very Happy

_________________
"Those who bring sunshine to the lives of other's cannot keep it from themselves."


Take care,

Andrew Furmanczyk :: http://www.howtoplaypiano.ca :: http://ca.youtube.com/user/lypur
avatar
Admin Andrew
Admin
Admin

Male Number of posts : 1277
Age : 30
Location : Prince George, British Columbia, Canada
Job/hobbies : Piano teacher, pianist
Length of time playing piano : Started in 1992; 17 years of playing.
Guru Points : 12
Registration date : 2008-02-22

View user profile http://www.howtoplaypiano.ca

Back to top Go down

Re: B sharp...C flat..?

Post by Sponsored content


Sponsored content


Back to top Go down

View previous topic View next topic Back to top

- Similar topics

 
Permissions in this forum:
You cannot reply to topics in this forum