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Post by mistral300 on Mon Sep 15, 2008 8:43 pm

Hi,

Ref; Prelude in D minor Op 28 no 24 by Chopin.

Can anyone tell me how I should approach synchronising left and right hand in measures such as 14, 18, 32 etc.

I have been playing since Christmas. trying to line up Treble and Bass notes seems to make no sense.

Some help would be appreciated.

Thankyou,

Roger.

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Post by Thomandy on Mon Sep 15, 2008 8:53 pm

You started last Christmas?? Well, this prelude is a grade 8/9 so IF you arnt at the level where you can sync left and right hand in a piece like this, I do belive this is way over your head atm. Smile But Slow-Practice is the way to start at least, since you need to sync, and watch Andrews Lesson on: 2vs3 ans 3vs4 - Look for it on Youtube, Im not sure witch Lesson it is! But it should be easy to find. Thats a start at least Smile Wish you good luck on that one Smile
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Post by CripKilla on Tue Sep 16, 2008 12:49 am

mistral300 wrote:
Ref; Prelude in D minor Op 28 no 24 by Chopin.
Hehe my favorite piece! Very Happy
Really hard, especially sync the left hand with the chromatic . It's really advance stuff.
Patience and concentration!
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Post by CripKilla on Tue Sep 16, 2008 12:53 am

mistral300 wrote:
Ref; Prelude in D minor Op 28 no 24 by Chopin.
Hehe my favorite piece! Very Happy
Really hard, especially sync the left hand with the chromatic . It's really advance stuff.
Patience and concentration!
Is your left hand fluid what this?
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Post by mistral300 on Tue Sep 16, 2008 7:31 am

Thomandy wrote:You started last Christmas?? Well, this prelude is a grade 8/9 so IF you arnt at the level where you can sync left and right hand in a piece like this, I do belive this is way over your head atm. Smile But Slow-Practice is the way to start at least, since you need to sync, and watch Andrews Lesson on: 2vs3 ans 3vs4 - Look for it on Youtube, Im not sure witch Lesson it is! But it should be easy to find. Thats a start at least Smile Wish you good luck on that one Smile

Thanks for comments - I have not trouble with left and right sync except the bars quoted. And, been through all Andrews lessons but dont find answer to this particular question.

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Post by Thomandy on Tue Sep 16, 2008 7:44 am

mistral300 wrote:
Thomandy wrote:You started last Christmas?? Well, this prelude is a grade 8/9 so IF you arnt at the level where you can sync left and right hand in a piece like this, I do belive this is way over your head atm. Smile But Slow-Practice is the way to start at least, since you need to sync, and watch Andrews Lesson on: 2vs3 ans 3vs4 - Look for it on Youtube, Im not sure witch Lesson it is! But it should be easy to find. Thats a start at least Smile Wish you good luck on that one Smile

Thanks for comments - I have not trouble with left and right sync except the bars quoted. And, been through all Andrews lessons but dont find answer to this particular question.

Regards

I see Smile Well, I hope to see a recording of this then? We got a performancetopic here, so feel free to use it Wink
But still as I said, slow practice those bars, and it will speed up by itselfe!!! Smile
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Post by mistral300 on Tue Sep 16, 2008 11:21 am

Thanks again for your input. The speed is not a problem. It is the precise relationship between the timing of the left and right hand that is. Also I dont have a problem concentrating or practicing but until I can see a mathematical relationsihip between the sixteenth and eighth notes on the left hand the notes on the right hand I believe my question still stands.

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Post by Thomandy on Tue Sep 16, 2008 3:00 pm

mistral300 wrote:Thanks again for your input. The speed is not a problem. It is the precise relationship between the timing of the left and right hand that is. Also I dont have a problem concentrating or practicing but until I can see a mathematical relationsihip between the sixteenth and eighth notes on the left hand the notes on the right hand I believe my question still stands.

Kind regards,

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Could you post a picture of on of those bars?? Smile Or find a link to the sheets? Smile
Do you know how to use a metronome? Cause if you do, you should be able to figure out how long every single note should be held down in a bar, and once you know that, you also can figure out when the next note for each hand should be pushed! But I can take a look at the sheets if you find a pic.?! Smile
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Post by pianohama on Tue Sep 16, 2008 7:38 pm

mistral300 wrote:Thanks again for your input. The speed is not a problem. It is the precise relationship between the timing of the left and right hand that is. Also I dont have a problem concentrating or practicing but until I can see a mathematical relationsihip between the sixteenth and eighth notes on the left hand the notes on the right hand I believe my question still stands.

Kind regards,

Roger

keep practising, things like hands synch is always hard at first, but when you know the piece good enough eventually it will just come to you automatically. i know this isn't the answer you want to hear, but it works. just keep practicing the problem areas. good luck m8
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Post by Thomandy on Tue Sep 16, 2008 9:14 pm

pianohama wrote:
mistral300 wrote:Thanks again for your input. The speed is not a problem. It is the precise relationship between the timing of the left and right hand that is. Also I dont have a problem concentrating or practicing but until I can see a mathematical relationsihip between the sixteenth and eighth notes on the left hand the notes on the right hand I believe my question still stands.

Kind regards,

Roger

keep practising, things like hands synch is always hard at first, but when you know the piece good enough eventually it will just come to you automatically. i know this isn't the answer you want to hear, but it works. just keep practicing the problem areas. good luck m8

That would be the same as saying: Learn the right hand, then the left and just play!! Hands must be put toghether. Try to watch Andrews one lesson that tuches this! First you need to learn the one hand, then the second, then you need to sync!! Smile

It wont just come if he cant sync it in slowpractice. Then the timing probably will be of when it goes faster. To get a good timing you need to slowpractice and sync perfect everytime to get a good performance. Notevalue-knowledge and metronome is perfect to do this, in slooowpractice Smile
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Post by CripKilla on Tue Sep 16, 2008 9:18 pm

mistral300 wrote:Thanks again for your input. The speed is not a problem. It is the precise relationship between the timing of the left and right hand that is. Also I dont have a problem concentrating or practicing but until I can see a mathematical relationsihip between the sixteenth and eighth notes on the left hand the notes on the right hand I believe my question still stands.

Kind regards,

Roger

This is what I was talking about: the fast chromatic!
You can watch it by this performance.
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Post by Thomandy on Tue Sep 16, 2008 9:19 pm

Yeah Crip Smile I remeber you said this was one of you MainGoals Smile
Hope youll get it as soon as you are ready Smile Its a cool piece! Smile
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Post by CripKilla on Tue Sep 16, 2008 9:24 pm

Hehe! Smile I don't wanna start it too soon cause I could take bad habits on it ... Wink

By the way mistral, the left hand is really precise. It show you the exact moment to press the key when your playing this chromatic with the Right Hand!
So in your in head, mind you that at this key on the right hand, you hit the first one and the left... etc.

This bar will probably take time, but the effect is awesome! Very Happy
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Post by mistral300 on Tue Sep 16, 2008 9:42 pm

Nobody has really given a good explanation of how the two sides of the measures I mentioned mesh together. I have watched the the video many times and play it regularly on my mp3 player. But unfortunately I can't slow it down enough to guage how the left and right hand fit together. To say it will all come with practice seems to be accepting that each person will end up with their own version of how the two sides will fit together - or may be, miraculously, not! . Nevertheless i am still grateful for everyones comments.

Roger

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Post by VictorCS on Tue Sep 16, 2008 10:04 pm

I had a problem with 2vs3 in a piece I'm not done with yet, since halfway through my keyboard broke.
Anyway, I know how hard it can be to get the left and right playing.

At first you'll have to take it really slow, and you'll have to spend a good amount of time.
This will and should be very hard, but as more you practice as easier it gets.

If you feel it's to hard, there is no reason you cant just wait a couple of months, and practice something easier.
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Post by CripKilla on Wed Sep 17, 2008 1:35 am

Ok so just follow the sheet....
During your chromatic, when there is a note on the bass clef that is under the note that you are pressing, press it... hmm bit confusing lol.

example: the first note of the chromatic is the middle C. you also press the other c under. The second note on the bass clef is a B. press it when you're pressing the note above on the treble clef(middle C again) etc...
Hope you understand my bad english..
If you want I can make a graphic or something..
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Post by mistral300 on Wed Sep 17, 2008 6:27 pm

Hi,

I see my last message all garbled. Looked ok when I wrote it.

However you may just be able to see what I'm getting at.

Regards,

Roger

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Post by CripKilla on Thu Sep 18, 2008 1:01 am

Hope I Answered all your questions in my PM.
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Post by mistral300 on Thu Sep 18, 2008 1:46 pm

CripKilla hope you got my final response and thankyou for solving my problem. putting this on here so that others can see it is done.

Roger.

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Post by CripKilla on Thu Sep 18, 2008 11:00 pm

All right! Very Happy I'm glad I helped you! Very Happy
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