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Post by Lufa on Sat May 24, 2008 2:51 am

hey im wondering what are the use of scales?
what happens if i just dont do scales n skip to just playing of music sheets?

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Lufa wrote:hey im wondering what are the use of scales?
what happens if i just dont do scales n skip to just playing of music sheets?

Think of scales like going to the gym to work out. Except for your fingers in this case. It builds more strength, endurance, technique and control. This will enable you to play longer, harder, faster and more accurately, which will help you play harder songs.

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Post by Thomandy on Sat May 24, 2008 3:35 am

YEAH Wink
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Re: Noob question

Post by Lufa on Sat May 24, 2008 12:38 pm

Thanks xD lmao i wanted this korean song at my first song but i gave up n went back to learn twinkle twinkle lillter star xD

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Post by pianohama on Sat May 24, 2008 12:58 pm

I guess scales arent THAT important when it comes to playing after sheets, the only thing would be to strengthen your fingers and your technique. But when it comes to creating your own music, it is crucial.
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Post by Thomandy on Sat May 24, 2008 1:21 pm

pianohama wrote:I guess scales arent THAT important when it comes to playing after sheets, the only thing would be to strengthen your fingers and your technique. But when it comes to creating your own music, it is crucial.

Well, they are Rally important even of your not writing music. Is is as Andrew sais. I read somwhere that the pro's ofte use almost 2 hours Every single day, Just practising scales! That sais alot about how important it is. You cant lift 150 in bench, if you havnt worked your way up, by going to the gym regularly for quite some time Wink
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Post by VictorCS on Sat May 24, 2008 1:48 pm

Scales can be compared to buildingblocks...

You have C, D, E-scales etc.... They can be compared to wood, stone and iron etc....
When you wanna build your own music/house, they are very important...

So if you'll only gonna play sheet music you will never use a scale, if you dont use it for warming up,
but you could skip the scales and just just use some hanon exercises instead...
But scales are good to know, so there is no reason why you shouldnt memorize them.

First time I heard about scales was when I started playing the guitar, but I had no idea what they where good for,
and most lessons on youtube said "you must practise scale, they are very important, but we wont tell you what you shall do with them".
I didnt really understand what a scale was before I played C major scale on my keyboard, then it all made sense. It's a group of notes that sound good together.

Lets say the band is playing in E minor, and you wanna make a kickass solo on your guitar/piano,
then you pick the E minor scale and improvise playing up and down in the E minor scale.
Ofcourse, you can go out of the scale, to make a twist, but stick in the scale, and you're safe.
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Post by Thomandy on Sat May 24, 2008 2:00 pm

VictorCS wrote:Scales can be compared to buildingblocks...

You have C, D, E-scales etc.... They can be compared to wood, stone and iron etc....
When you wanna build your own music/house, they are very important...

So if you'll only gonna play sheet music you will never use a scale, if you dont use it for warming up,
but you could skip the scales and just just use some hanon exercises instead...
But scales are good to know, so there is no reason why you shouldnt memorize them.

Well, 90% of all songs written are constructed with different uses of our scales. If you know your scales, it Will be much easyer to learn these songs, written in sheets!!! Hanons do not do the same as our scales. So I disagree! =) If you dont know your scales, you wont learn to be a good Pianoplayer as easy, and maby not as good ever!! So not just buildingbloks, but Essential practicetime at the gym. You cant do benchpress, if you only have been practicing jogging.
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Post by Admin Andrew on Sat May 24, 2008 6:33 pm

thomandy wrote:
VictorCS wrote:Scales can be compared to buildingblocks...

You have C, D, E-scales etc.... They can be compared to wood, stone and iron etc....
When you wanna build your own music/house, they are very important...

So if you'll only gonna play sheet music you will never use a scale, if you dont use it for warming up,
but you could skip the scales and just just use some hanon exercises instead...
But scales are good to know, so there is no reason why you shouldnt memorize them.

Well, 90% of all songs written are constructed with different uses of our scales. If you know your scales, it Will be much easyer to learn these songs, written in sheets!!! Hanons do not do the same as our scales. So I disagree! =) If you dont know your scales, you wont learn to be a good Pianoplayer as easy, and maby not as good ever!! So not just buildingbloks, but Essential practicetime at the gym. You cant do benchpress, if you only have been practicing jogging.

I disagree as well that scales can be substituted with hanon exersizes. hanon trains finger strength, but I find them quite limiting compared to regular scale practise. Regular scales are a much better use of your time in my humble opinion sunny

You're right that scales are a group of notes that sound good together. Very true! ^_^ props on figuring that out for yourself! king

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Re: Noob question

Post by Thomandy on Sat May 24, 2008 6:42 pm

Admin Andrew wrote:
thomandy wrote:
VictorCS wrote:Scales can be compared to buildingblocks...

You have C, D, E-scales etc.... They can be compared to wood, stone and iron etc....
When you wanna build your own music/house, they are very important...

So if you'll only gonna play sheet music you will never use a scale, if you dont use it for warming up,
but you could skip the scales and just just use some hanon exercises instead...
But scales are good to know, so there is no reason why you shouldnt memorize them.

Well, 90% of all songs written are constructed with different uses of our scales. If you know your scales, it Will be much easyer to learn these songs, written in sheets!!! Hanons do not do the same as our scales. So I disagree! =) If you dont know your scales, you wont learn to be a good Pianoplayer as easy, and maby not as good ever!! So not just buildingbloks, but Essential practicetime at the gym. You cant do benchpress, if you only have been practicing jogging.

I disagree as well that scales can be substituted with hanon exersizes. hanon trains finger strength, but I find them quite limiting compared to regular scale practise. Regular scales are a much better use of your time in my humble opinion sunny

You're right that scales are a group of notes that sound good together. Very true! ^_^ props on figuring that out for yourself! king

Hehe king
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Re: Noob question

Post by Lufa on Sun May 25, 2008 4:17 am

where can i find the list of scales n the notes needed for that cartain scale hmm when i got my keyboard in the book it has single-finger chory scales n fingered shord scales with diagrams hmm wats the difference between the two? in the list of fingered chord scales i see C , Cm, C7 Cm7 etc but all have C in the front is that the whole list or is there more? im just lost can u tell me more about how to play the scales or where to find oput about them? ty n i dont even know what fingers go where! =(

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Post by Thomandy on Sun May 25, 2008 4:21 am

Lufa wrote:where can i find the list of scales n the notes needed for that cartain scale hmm when i got my keyboard in the book it has single-finger chory scales n fingered shord scales with diagrams hmm wats the difference between the two? in the list of fingered chord scales i see C , Cm, C7 Cm7 etc but all have C in the front is that the whole list or is there more? im just lost can u tell me more about how to play the scales or where to find oput about them? ty n i dont even know what fingers go where! =(

Its in the scaletopic Wink
And just have fun here on the forum. Many questions you mught have lie answered in different topics Smile

Cmajor and Cminor are two scales... There are more rules to minor scales...
C7 is a normal C-Scale + The 7th note in C it is B!
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Re: Noob question

Post by Lufa on Sun May 25, 2008 6:10 am

i onli found a list of the names?

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Post by Thomandy on Sun May 25, 2008 6:18 am

The sticky in this SubjectTopic!! Wink

http://afpa.hooxs.com/piano-scales-f3/scales-list-t26.htm

Then you see the scales! And you can see what notes that should be raise in each scale!

You start playing at the rootnote:

Ex1: c major
cdefgab - no # and no b

Ex2: b major
bcdefga - here the c,d,f,g and a are #

so -> b major is like this

b - c# - d# - e - f# - g# - a# - b

Well, this is to show you how the firstpost build!
Its not just the names! Smile GooD uck
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Re: Noob question

Post by VictorCS on Sun May 25, 2008 10:29 am

I use this one to find new scales to practice:

http://www.pianoworld.com/fun/vpc/piano_chords.htm
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Post by maggiekedves on Sun May 25, 2008 3:54 pm

Lufa wrote:in the list of fingered chord scales i see C , Cm, C7 Cm7 etc but all have C in the front is that the whole list or is there more?

There is a lot more Very Happy for every keys... Im sure you already know that.

Here is some links to check out:

http://o.gortais.free.fr/
All That Chords is a program which can help you to analyze all those letter combination chords.

A good page for learning scales and arpeggios

http://www.jeffreychappell.com/scales.htm

A basic reference for 12 basic chords it is only 2 pages... maybe worth
to print it out. Plus another file to teach a little more about chords

How_to_Read_a_Chord_Chart.pdf

Chords_12_Keys_Chart.pdf


Hope that helps, good luck.
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Post by Lufa on Mon May 26, 2008 12:48 pm

thanks guys!!!!!!!!!! hmmm in the first lessson on youtube wasnt it a Cmajor n the keys was C-C?

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Post by Thomandy on Mon May 26, 2008 3:24 pm

Lufa wrote:thanks guys!!!!!!!!!! hmmm in the first lessson on youtube wasnt it a Cmajor n the keys was C-C?

Thats right!
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Post by Marnex on Wed Jun 04, 2008 12:27 am

VictorCS wrote:I use this one to find new scales to practice:

http://www.pianoworld.com/fun/vpc/piano_chords.htm
Yeah that's an awesome website, I go there too.
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Post by Angela on Thu Jul 24, 2008 6:43 am

Admin Andrew wrote:
thomandy wrote:
VictorCS wrote:Scales can be compared to buildingblocks...

You have C, D, E-scales etc.... They can be compared to wood, stone and iron etc....
When you wanna build your own music/house, they are very important...

So if you'll only gonna play sheet music you will never use a scale, if you dont use it for warming up,
but you could skip the scales and just just use some hanon exercises instead...
But scales are good to know, so there is no reason why you shouldnt memorize them.

Well, 90% of all songs written are constructed with different uses of our scales. If you know your scales, it Will be much easyer to learn these songs, written in sheets!!! Hanons do not do the same as our scales. So I disagree! =) If you dont know your scales, you wont learn to be a good Pianoplayer as easy, and maby not as good ever!! So not just buildingbloks, but Essential practicetime at the gym. You cant do benchpress, if you only have been practicing jogging.

I disagree as well that scales can be substituted with hanon exersizes. hanon trains finger strength, but I find them quite limiting compared to regular scale practise. Regular scales are a much better use of your time in my humble opinion sunny

You're right that scales are a group of notes that sound good together. Very true! ^_^ props on figuring that out for yourself! king


I agree there:) Hanon is something a little different from scales and what not!!!! I find hanon exercises focus on finger strength and independence..... WHICH can help with the evenness and fluidity of scales and stuff!!!! affraid Well..... scales also work finger strength like crazy too! OMG! when I was practising the chorale fantasie by Beethoven, I had so much trouble with SO much of the passage work! Well I did scales and other technique exercises and like less than a week later, all of my passage work problems were pretty much... fixed! It was like MAGIC! I prefer to play scales and stuff, but if I get bored of THAT then I play some hanon for a change!!! Razz . I also find practising scales and technique in different keys helps me to get used to what the different keys FEEL like:) Scales and arpeggios etc are always common in my pieces so I figure I might as well work on them! Also musicality can come through much easier if one has a strong technique because the performer won't have technical problems holding them back! UGH! If there's one thing that's annoying, it's musicality not coming through JUST because of..... TECHNIQUE PROBLEMS! AUGH! Mad

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Post by CactusMoon on Mon Jul 28, 2008 11:24 pm

Another really cool thing about scales...once you know and understand them...as soon as you see your sheet music....you will know exactly what notes cords etc will be in it and off you will go....it is AMAZING and really worth the early effort effort effort :-) it takes to learn all about them.

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