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Post by Rickard on Wed Jul 07, 2010 7:00 pm

I know how to clap most rhythms and I understand most rhythm stuff in music theory (at least rudiments level 1 and 2 stuff). The issue is however to play with proper rhythm. For example I don't think I play two or more eight notes equally. One time I recorded a midi of my playing on my digital piano and I've played a song which got some eight notes and I used metronome too but it clearly showed that I play first of the two eight notes shorter amount of time and the other one longer. However it was some time ago so maybe that changed.
Some other problems with rhythm I have is playing dotted quarter notes and eight notes, dotted eight notes and sixteenth notes and also two sixteenth notes and one eight note in the same beat. Basically dotted rhythms in general plus shorter note durations such as sixteenth notes. I've also got some trouble with eight rests and sixteenth rests.
Well I've played for almost two years but I didn't really play everyday during that period as I took breaks because I gave up a few times or had too much schoolstuff to do. However I'm not going to give up now and I will not let the schoolstuff get in the way so much. I wish I had a teacher when I started playing but at least I'm going to get a teacher this autumn I hope.
Anyways, back to the main topic of this thread. Another issue I have is that I find it really hard to even start playing something when the tempo is supposed to be 200bpm and time signature 4/4 and I use a metronome at that speed. I can't get used to the extremly fast clicking sound of the metronome. Would it be a good idea to play the song at 100bpm but using 2/4 time and instead of playing quarter notes to play eight notes or instead of half notes to play quarter notes and so on?
Also I'm going an external digital metronome, well I think the metronome that's built-in in the digital piano is not enough. The built-in metronome only can play a few time signatures and as for compound time signatures such as 6/8 time it just clicks twice per measure, basically it only clicks on the strong beats instead of clicking on all beats. I guess using 8/8 instead of 4/4 can be a good thing to do in order to get the eight notes more equal however the metronome will click twice as much and it can get quite annoying I can imagine.
So, what do you guys and girls recommend? Any specific pieces or exercises?

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Re: Rhythm troubles

Post by 1748 on Thu Jul 08, 2010 5:29 am

hi...
when u hard to play 200bpm its because your finger not ready to play that tempo
so practice with slow and figure out the fingering and PATIENT
i have played piano for a year when 1st time i Quess i cant play fast but after the time past it feels easy

dont give up man....trust me....hm....no trust him ----> @(^(oo)^)@ hehehe

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Re: Rhythm troubles

Post by Rickard on Wed Jul 14, 2010 5:50 pm

To be honest I'm a little bit disappointed that the thread got 40 views but only one reply. Don't be shy, I want to know what you guys think.

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Re: Rhythm troubles

Post by yokewong on Thu Jul 22, 2010 8:44 pm

You can start practicing holding the note value by counting. I recommend starting at a slower setting. For example, set your metronome at 60BPM. Play one whole note, two half note, four quarter note, eight eighth note and lastly sixteen sixteenth note. Count out loud and play each measure, make sure you hold and finish the note value before hitting the next note.

For subdivision, write out a set of 8 eighth note in a measure. Set your metronome, and start counting; 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 &. Now, erase beat 3. You’ll have 1 & 2 & - & 4 &. Now, erase & 2 and 4. You’ll have 1 - - & 3 & - &.
You can also do the same with 16th notes; 1 e & ah, 2 e & ah, 3 e & ah, 4 e & ah. Take out any combination, for example, 2, 2 e, 3 ah. You’ll have 1 e & ah, - - & ah, 3 e & - , 4 e & ah. If you can try tapping your foot on each beat. Remember, start out slow on the metronome.

A piece of new music at 200BPM is extremely challenging. Start out by playing it slowly, keeping the same time signature. You can start at 80BPM if you wish. After you can play the piece comfortably at 80BPM, then you move the tempo up to 90BPM, and then to 100BPM, and so on until you hit the targeted BPM. You may have to stay at a certain BPM for a while before you can move up a notch. That is very normal. I wouldn’t suggest changing the note value or the time signature from 4/4 to 2/4. It gets very confusing.

I think the metronome on your digital will work just fine. 6/8 accent is on the dotted quarter note, that is why you are only getting 2 clicks. The accent is on one and four, 1, 2, 3 – 4, 5, 6 (each is an eighth note). You may be able to switch it from dotted quarter to eighth, check your user manual.

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Re: Rhythm troubles

Post by Rickard on Fri Jul 23, 2010 10:20 am

Thanks for the reply. I will try out those exercises. Also I actually found that my digital piano uses eight notes for 3/8 time, so it's 1, 2, 3 1, 2, 3 and so on. So it can be used for 6/8, 9/8, 12/8 and so on by simply repeating the 1, 2, 3 pattern.

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Re: Rhythm troubles

Post by VictorCS on Fri Jul 23, 2010 10:05 pm

Why dont you just play the song at half speed? Start at 100bmp, and increase till you reach 200bmp.

But I would advice you to play easier pieces before trying the real extreme ones. It's never wise to start big, start small and grow big.
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