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Post by Thomandy on Sat May 02, 2009 4:35 pm

Yeah, the title says it all! But is there any rules? I have started a come, created on a theme by a know composer, the piece is a "Hit" and the theme symbolizes the Norwegian culture. Everyone knows this theme.. Is it the Wrong to take this theme and build a composition on it? Im not steeling it, pretending I created the theme myselfe.. Smile

And another thing, its actually how the Harding-fiddle is tuned, so if you pluck the strings in order, you get this theme! Smile

But yeah, anything I should know before I continue the composition? Razz
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Post by Admin Andrew on Sat May 02, 2009 5:16 pm

well, normally you can use any theme you hear without copyright violation as long as it's not over a certain number of bars. I think you can't have more than 3 bars of the same theme from a composer? I could be wrong so you might want to double check. Smile I don't think there's anything wrong with using a little bit of someone else's theme as long as you can come up with some newer original content to expand the piece with.

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Post by Admin Andrew on Sat May 02, 2009 5:17 pm

PS. what you could even do is add notes inbetween the main theme of the composers piece, that way it would be different Wink

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Post by Thomandy on Sat May 02, 2009 5:35 pm

Admin Andrew wrote:well, normally you can use any theme you hear without copyright violation as long as it's not over a certain number of bars. I think you can't have more than 3 bars of the same theme from a composer? I could be wrong so you might want to double check. Smile I don't think there's anything wrong with using a little bit of someone else's theme as long as you can come up with some newer original content to expand the piece with.

Okay. Yeah, I also read someplace that you can have 7notes in a row that is =, but if the 8 is same as well, its a violation on the copyright. But this piece is written over 100 years ago, so there isnt any Copyright on it anymore, (79years and the Copyright ends?! Something like that) so I wasnt really thinking of that aspect.

I was thinking more if it was, sort of disrespectful, steeling ect, and you answer that as well. I know Liszt created pieces on other themes All the time. I just read that Liszt created ALL of his Rhapsodies on folk-themes he heard local fiddle-players played in Hungary! And we got his pieces on a theme of Paganini(?!) ect

So, yeah, and as you say; As long as I can create something to expand and take the theme further its okay Smile I want to try a REALLY big project this time. Cause I have now "ended" 2 composition without managing to finish them(A lyrical piece and a prelude)...

I have given myself 6months to create this piece. Razz hehe... Its going to be a Rhapsody - So if you got any places other then Wiki that gives away some theory on these types of pieces or analysis of any piece, that would be great Smile I have to go really solid into it so I dont just end up creating a joke! And this is of course a test to see if I can create a good and solid structured piece that last almost 10min. The only thing I really know about Rhapsodyes it that they should have a Improve-feel to them!

Its easy to create things that lasts 2 min, but for a 10min piece, the structure and evolution* must be creative and interesting and deep! Or else the interest will fade fast and no one would want to listen to the full piece Razz hehe
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